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Editor’s Note: Ordinarily I wouldn’t publish this and would encourage individuals to keep this kind of topic to the forums, but I know there are readers who might offer intelligent solutions to this Soldier’s problem. One concept I would dispute is that the “majority” of troops are Reform...I would err on the side of “unaffiliated” and perhaps “disinterested.” I would also encourage this Soldier to approach Conservative/Orthodox Judaism with an open mind; in the military especially, our differences aren’t necessarily important to our command, and we benefit by coming together. I’m so happy when I just have other Jews, of whatever flavor, in close proximity. If that means asking a Reform Soldier to daven Ashkenaz on Shabbos, or even if he/she doesn’t fully participate, as long as we can schmooze at the oneg afterwards, life is good.
Editor’s Note #2: A lay leader from Fort Hood has reached out to this anonymous poster, who has thus far declined to further identify his or herself for the sake of correcting perceived problems. Our lay leaders and chaplains go to great lengths to accommodate Jews from all walks of practice and life. We are indeed one community within the military, and just as in other recent situations, I suggest everyone avail themselves of the procedures established either in your branch or the DoD to solve problems. If you’re unfamiliar with the correct course of action under regulations, we can certainly help you or direct you to someone who can. Flaming a site anonymously is extremely unhelpful, and implicates the military Jewish community as being fractured when in reality it is not.
I’m sorry but I feel that Fort Hood is not at all being respectful of all Jews station here .The west chapel serves only Conservative/Orthodox Jews and Reform Jews feel not welcome or to feel out of place if they do not follow their rules and practices. The fact is most of the active duty is Reform ! Reform Jews are force to travel an hour and a half away from the base if they want to go to services! The members of the services are for the most not even Active Duty on Fort Hood! It is nice however that they give them a chapel because it could cost a lot off post. However been told that the services are for them mostly! Because Quote: Active Service Members are transients! Thank you so much! But it is funny that the Christians on post all dominations are taken care of and they all have a chapels too! Also the (chapel for Jews) is located in a far off place convenient to the non active duty members! Oh yes that right we none deserve because we are transients.
I do hope that Fort Hood is not back in the 1930 and continue this type of ingerence! But I guess they had to cover the token Jew thing!
I sorry to say I and many reform Active Duty Jews feel un-welcome. There are so many active duty members and their family not being service here. The Jews here are meshed in to one! Kinda like the mental state of mind they had in WWII! If you’re a Jew your all the same! I am surprised however the main chaplain doesn’t have locks! But he close to it I was told. The west chapel serves mainly non-Active duty service members and was moved closer to copper cove TX where they live because the main part of post is where most of the active duty live and they can’t live there because they are not active duty and it is non covenant to them .Also was told that we are transients and services are for them because we come and go! And they set the rules! Oh yes they also said that the Army tell us how to pray too There way! Is the Army way. I did not know that the Army is conservative/ orthodox mainly .I been finding allot of Reform Jews feeling displace here! We are force to travel on the Sabbath at least 1 to 1 1/2 hour for services. This is wrong! Shame on you Fort Hood! All the Christians have each denominations covered and the Jews are only aloud one service one sector. Of Judaism.Who knows next they might even put us into one base someday clump us together.
You know that you are less than 45 minutes from North Austin and that there are quite a few congregations down here. If you want send me a email and I will send you a link to a small one would would definitely welcome you.
I agree with your (the editor’s) concept that most servicemen are Reform.
The Reform movement has liberalized itself to mostly be about cultural Judaism and thus encompassed the “unaffiliated” and “disinterested” Jews.
I didn’t say I believe most servicemen are Reform.
I also think it’s less than helpful to promote the tired canards about Reform Judaism. This site is “Jews in Green” not “(Insert Movement Here) Jews in Green.”
Sorry, I mistyped. I was agreeing with the statement that most Jews in Green are indeed not reform.
I was debating whether to address this in the forums, but once it was brought to the blog I feel I have to mention something.
I understand that you (the poster) feel out-of-place at Conservative and Orthodox services if you don’t follow the practices, but I beg you to reconsider. We, while following more of the traditions and laws, will do things that may seem foreign or different. Imagine, if you will, that you enter a Chinese Temple and they ask you to wear a certain robe, would you be offended or feel out of place? Most likely you’d be respectful of their traditions and comply so as not to offend them or their customs.
I believe all we’re asking is that you respect our customs the same. We’re not trying to tell you what to believe, and I’m sure if you approached one of the people before prayers they’d be happy to help you.
I attend services at fort hood, and I can assure you it is not orthodox! The services being held there are mid range, accommodating EVERYONE! There is a group of people, mostly nonjews, who have “broken away” and formed a reform group on their own, off post. Which is fine, giving people a choice. We have a kosher kitchen which the congregation maintains, and sorry to say, some individuals have attempted to bring in non-kosher items. They were politely, but firmly told no. We do get soldiers from time to time who keep kosher,(we have one attending now) and are able to service them. As to our “religious services”, it comes straight out of the Prayer book for Jewish personnel in the armed forces, provided by JWB. What does this person expect? This is a military post. As for the Jewish Chapel being in a “far off place”, west fort hood is only on the other side of the highway, you use the same exit to enter either main post or west. I would say it’s about a 2 minute drive! All the other chapels on post have to accommodate several congregations together, and our holidays, as you know, sometimes clash. It is just as “convenient for nonmilitary as it is for the active duty!(same distance)I seriously doubt anyone told this person that services are for them only, this whole congregation revolves around the soldier and family, yes, retirees /civilians do attend, and have given literally thousands of volunteer hours on post for this congregation. And yes, it would “cost more” off post for civilians/retirees, but they give their time, resources and money towards supporting the Jews in uniform!I have a feeling whoever posted this blog is one of those disgruntled individuals who feels out of place merely because of personal reasons. I can only feel sorry for him or her.
Wow! Where should I begin with this? I could start by pointing out the “supposed” literacy level of the writer is absurd. I teach Special Education, and the extreme fluctuation in syntax points to a fake. I could start with the fact that Ft. Hood is not large enough that it takes and hour and a half to get from any barracks or housing area to reach the West Ft. Hood Chapel. Nor is it necessary to travel any further than Roundrock if one chooses a civilian congregation. What I really want to talk about is the make-up of the Jewish congregation at Ft. Hood. I have been a member of this congregation for approximately twelve years, and in that time I have gotten to know many people from the extremely orthodox to the very liberal. We have had Lay Leaders who are Reform and Conservative, as well as the ever-Orthodox rabbis the JWB sends. We have always been able to blend together into what I have always thought an appropriate term-Reconservadox, that blending that tries to meet everyone’s needs. Most of us just consider ourselves Jews without any delineation. If that offends anyone, sorry, but that is life. Why narrowly define yourself so that there is no room to explore? The Service on Friday evenings is set up in a manner that anyone can feel welcome and not as though they are prevented from davening in the manner they choose. We have transliterations and are always willing to help as well as adjust to different preferences; there have been a lot of changes and there will be many more. There are things that I choose not to participate in, and others that I add to my own davening, but that does not mean that I am disenfranchised from the community. That is life, and life at a military chapel is different than in the civilian community in that you are more likely to daven in the old way-all Jews together without regard to who is “more religious” than whom.
The congregation is not at West Ft. Hood Chapel to accommodate any specific members. The congregation was moved when the old chapel was condemned and razed. West Ft. Hood was the only chapel that had room, and the army has been generous with time and funds, even creating a kosher kitchen for the community. Ft. Hood is a major installation; we have visitors from around the world and it is our responsibility to meet the needs of those visitors. A quiet room with comfortable linen, plenty of light, and, yes, many of them require kosher food. Our location has been praised for the peace and quiet that is enjoyed during these trips. As for the charge that the military is discriminating against Jews since we do not have a chapel for each “group”, let me point out that there are many very large differences (just to name a few Christian denominations) between Methodist, Catholic, Lutheran, and Greek Orthodox tenets of faith, while for us it is just a matter of how strictly we follow the same tenets. Let’s take this a step further and accept that there are tens of thousands more Christians than Jews in both the civilian and military communities, so there will be a need for more Christian chapels. At the best of times, maintaining chapels is a large expense; right now we are in a two front war and the money is needed elsewhere. Perhaps the writer’s desire to be on main post will be met if and when the proposed mega-chapel, a pre-9/11 proposal, is built.
I do not know what needs you have that are not being met, so we cannot try to help with those needs. If there are prayers you do not want to say, don’t say them. I have been known to go to the annex to wait when I have needed to leave the chapel.
post too long-so will be two-what can I say, I am pedantic.
The congregation does not look down on anyone who attends services whether they are active-duty, retired, civilian, black, white, brown, green, or blue. We have members who are very well educated and those that are not. It does not matter here. Every few years at every chapel on every base there is some discussion about the pentagon closing access to the chapels to all but active duty service members and their families. I believe it was only tried once, in the early 70s, and it was discovered without the retirees and civilians there was no continuity of services. Cell phone use during services? I know the doctor is on call, and several of us have ill relatives, but I have never seen anyone sit in a pew talking on the phone during services—We leave the room when those calls come in. Here at Ft. Hood those of us who live in the community not only prepare the Onegs and other special meals, we also pick up soldiers who need rides to and from services. We offer them a ready set of family: doting grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces, and nephews to welcome them at any time, and like every family the range of practices varies. We are still family. We don’t call them transients; we are here to help them adjust to this new home; some of our soldiers are away from family for the first time, and love the added support. A large number of our kids are deployed right now, but they know we’ll make them a special dinner to celebrate when they get home.
What a shame that the person who felt slighted at west fort hood services didn,t air their concerns to someone at the chapel at the time of the incident! We, the congregation do all we can to be welcoming, right now we have a young Lt. in Iraq that we e mail on a regular basis. We are ALWAYS there to help the people in the service! We provide food and transport too. We try to maintain the chapel for the soldier and family. We have people who give of their free time to shop and cook and clean at the chapel, do we have to do this? NO! but we do because we CARE!!!
RE: Reform jews not welcome at Ft. Hood. This is awful! Never heard such bosh in my life! The west ft. hood congregation are there for the military, we as civilians and retirees try to do everything, special onegs etc. for the soldier and families, last year passover the ladie’s group spent 4 days shopping and preparing 2 seders. We could have shabbat in the comfort of our homes, like the off post group, but no, we go out to the chapel to be there for the soldiers. The person who posted that blog should have come to one of us and talked it over.
I’m going to close this thread now, as the individual in question has been mollified and the situation is resolved (see forums).
This post prompted exactly what I had hoped it would: a conversation that demonstrates that the Jewish military community inhabits a remarkable class of its own, one that transcends the differences of our respective movements.
Fort Hood is *very* fortunate to have such a proactive lay leader in the form of Larry Cohen.